2011 Season Rules Proposals

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2011 Season

2010/2011 NEHA Banquet is February 12, 2011

It is that time of year again to think about changes that you would like to see in the NEHA series to improve our events.

If you know of someone that doesn't have email and/or web access, please contact us at the above e-mail address with their proposal or send an e-mail with their contact information and we will contact them via phone.

Deadline: Proposal are accepted up to 05-Feb-2011 (see date on mailing below)
On 06-Feb-2011, we will post a .PDF of all proposals to be heard at the NEHA Rules Meeting.

Final Rules Proposals File: HERE

Submission Process:
Three methods to submit a proposal; e-mail me at SCCVermont@aol.com, send me a private message, snail mail.

Snail mail submissions are accepted if postmarked by 31-Jan-2011:
SCCV
c/o 2011 NEHA Rules
PO Box 1414
Williston, Vermont 05495

(make sure to supply contact information so that I can confirm with you that your proposal as rec'd)

Submit one proposal per e-mail or PM using the following format. This is how the proposal will be read at the meeting:

1) Your name(s)
2) E-mail address for each name(s) associated with this specific proposal (so I know who to contact if I have questions)
3) Rule type (General Regulations, Classification, Technical Regulations)
4) Rule section letter or number
5) Your proposal exactly how you would like to see it written in the rules (may be a deletion)
6) Optional but helpful, please include a brief description of your thoughts behind your proposal.

Example:
Frankie Slowpokeski (TurtleRacing@aol.com)
General Regulations
5. General / B. Fuel System / Section 3
Change "metal can" to "can made of old milk cartons"
My thinking on this matter is that blah blah blah.

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The proposals will be included below in oldest to newest order within each section.

Feel free to have discussion in the appropriate forums (links below), but do not submit a proposal in those threads as I may not see it. You can have a "I was thinking about submitting the following..." discussion, but unless it is specifically submitted to me in one of the three methods outlined above, I will not include it.

Classification (Link to forum)

None submitted.

General (Link to forum)
Date 25-Dec-2010
Name: Dave Burden

General Regulations
Rule Number: 24 and 36

Existing rules:

24. At all hillclimbs, the holding area (after finish) must have
communication with Control and all checkpoints.
36. All checkpoints must be manned by a minimum of two workers during timed runs.

Combine and modify these two rules to be:

At all hillclimbs, during familiarization, practice and timed runs,
all checkpoints, including finish must be provided with appropriate
safety and signaling equipment. These checkpoints must have direct
communication with Control and be manned with at least two workers.
In the case of lack of workers, a checkpoint may be manned by a single
experienced worker on a temporary basis during a familiarization run.
The holding area after finish, if it is not under the purview of
finish, must have direct communication with Control.

Reasoning: To ensure that all checkpoints are properly staffed and equipped at
all events while cars are on the course.
Date: 27-Jan-2011
Name: Don Taylor
General Regulations

Add:
The location for posting announcements pertaining to the event will be announced during the drivers meeting.
Date: 27-Jan-2011
Name: Don Taylor
General Regulations

Add:
Any driver displaying unsportsmanlike conduct or unacceptable behavior may be removed and/or disqualified from the event by the chairperson. The board of directors of the sponsoring club reserves the right to take further action, including barring entry from one or more future events sponsored by the affected club.
Date: 31-Jan-2011
Name: Seth Achilles
General regulations

Proposal: Add line 41 to state "41. Events at Devil's Bowl, will NOT be included in the king of the hill points standings(nor any other tracking of points). The event is exhibition only. This will only be a one day event. Break out times will be based on a per lap basis, though a run may contain multiple laps. A single warning will be issued if a competitor breaks on one or more laps within the run.

Reasoning: Just trying to include Devil's bowl in to the rules, to address how the event might work, with the break out rule specifically mentioned. Hopefully addressing the nature of a lapping event at an oval. It is listed as a one day event for NEHA, with the intention of having a SCCV regulated autocross at the same site the following day for folks to make a full weekend if they care to. Hoping to give folks a chance to work out the bugs on their car before the first hillclimb of the season.
Date: 31-Jan-2011
Name: Joey Kale
General Regulations
Section 40

Change from:
In order to submit or vote on a proposal that pertains to a NEHA rule, the
person must be a member of KSCC, SCCNH or SCCV, must be of age to
be a driver (18) or worker (16) in a NEHA hillclimb as of the date of the
rules meeting, and have participated at a hillclimb in the last three years,
either as a worker or driver.

Change to:
In order to submit or vote on a proposal that pertains to a NEHA rule, the
person must be a member of KSCC, SCCNH or SCCV, must be of age to
be a driver (18) or worker (16) in a NEHA hillclimb as of the date of the
rules meeting, and have participated at a minimum of three hillclimbs in the
past year, either as a worker or driver.

Reason: To guarantee NEHA's rules are determined by a group of people who contribute to the series as a whole.
Date: 04-Feb-2011
Alex Grabau
General Regulations
Proposal:

Section 1 states:
Hillclimbs are a two-day event. The only person who can make exceptions to this rule is the event chair. Drivers wishing to participate on Sunday only must be preregistered and it must be cleared with the event chair; such drivers lose the right to protest.

Change: Hillclimbs are a two-day event.
To: Hillclimbs are a two day competition event with timed race runs happening on both days held after the familiarization run each morning.

Section 16 states:
Practice and timed runs will be done in “heats.” Entrants will have the same opportunity for the same number of runs. If an entrant cannot make a run during the allotted time, he/she will forfeit that run and take the next run.

Change: Practice and timed runs will be done in “heats.”
To: Practice and timed runs will be done in heats on both Saturday and Sunday
Thoughts: I would like to have runs from both Saturday and Sunday count toward the weekend results. For those who would like to practice on Saturday, they can do that all they want. Those who want to push on both days for a result could be free to do so. Benefits also include having increased two-day participation, hedging against bad weather and more runs and chances at a good time. This is done in PA at their events and it works well. I'd like to see it in New England too.
Technical (Link to forum)
Date: 24-Jan-2011
Name: Michael Wilson
Technical Regulations

Proposal: Replace current "Section E.2.b" and replace with:
If a driver of a car without a roll cage gets a time less than the breakout time
(they broke out) and they have not broken out before at that hill with that car
on a day when breakouts were in effect for that driver, and they have not been
at that hill with that car before on a dry day, then they will receive a warning
that they broke out. Not receiving the warning is equivalent to not breaking
out. Otherwise if a driver of a car without a roll cage gets a time less than
the breakout time, they will not be allowed to drive that car again at that hill
without a roll cage and all other safety equipment required for roll caged cars
and drivers of roll caged cars. Any time less than the breakout time in a car
without a roll cage will not count in the event results or the year end points.

Reasoning: The intention is - no warnings after your first dry day or your first
breakout day. By that time you should know your car and times and how to manage
them.

Note - It is up to the organizers, not the driver, to manage and maintain this.
However a driver would be wise to keep track in case there are questions.
Date: 27-Jan-2011
Name: Don Taylor
Technical Regulations

1. Clothing
C. Helmet
1. a. Snell SA2000 or newer, or b. FIA legal; Effective on January 1, 2011
SA 2005 or newer helmets or FIA legal

Change to
1. a. Snell SA2005 or newer, or b. FIA legal
Date: 29-Jan-2011
Name: Walter Clark
Technical Regulations

5. GENERAL
E. Coolant
1. One-quart minimum nonpressurized overflow reservoir required or to meet
manufacturer's specifications.
2. In classes P, FL and SP, the only coolant permitted is water, or water with a small amount of coolant system additive such as water wetter.

Proposal:
Changed section E from “Coolant Overflow” to “Coolant” in order to include antifreeze. Added “overflow” to statement 1 to compensate for removing it from head of section. Added statement 2

Reasoning: Antifreeze, ethylene glycol in particular is both an environmental hazard and a road hazard when spilled. Propylene glycol, while not an environmental hazard is still a road hazard. Hillclimbs in 2010 experienced several hours of delays from cleanup as a result of at least 2 coolant spills caused by failed cooling system components. Eliminating all but a small amount of additive to coolant water reduces environmental and road hazards dramatically and decreases the cleanup time and effort to restore the road to a safe race condition. U class cars are exempted from the rule. This is chiefly because running pure water in newer U cars may void the engine warranty. U cars are also less likely to suffer failed cooling system components than highly modified race cars simply because of lower stresses.
Date: 31-Jan-2011
Name: Seth Achilles
Technical Regulations
E. Collision protection #3. Break out times

Proposal: Add "Devil's Bowl oval 0:25.70/lap."
Reasoning: basically preparing the rules for the potential "flying mile event" at Devil's Bowl sometime in the spring before the first Ascutney. Establishing a baseline break out time, based on a 70mph average speed.

Related to General Regulations rule proposals associated with Devil's Bowl
Date: 05-Jan-2011
Name: Michael Wilson
Technical Regulations
Section E.2.a

Proposal:

Remove "Unprepared or" from the existing text.

Replace with:

Any Unprepared car does not need a cage.

Reasoning: To go back to the way the rules used to be.
Date: 05-Jan-2011
Name: Michael Wilson
Technical Regulations
Section E.2.b

Add:
A driver in a U or S car who has not crashed at a NEHA event in the last 10
years and has driven at more than 40 percent of the NEHA events in the last 10
years will not be subject to the breakout rule.
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Rabbit Farmer wrote:Submission Process:
Three methods to submit a proposal; e-mail me at SCCVermont@aol.com, send me a private message, snail mail.
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Steve, did you get my rule proposal?
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Joey, I submitted a couple earlier this week as well. I'm not sure he's been around to update stuff.
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What????? No other proposals.
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sharonroof wrote:What????? No other proposals.
I think Steve has been away and I am sure he will update the topic when he gets back. I think there have been a few more proposals submitted.
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Just got back from the Bahamas tonight. Yawn. Rec'd last rule proposal at midnight..... (the deadline). I'll post all the rules that were e-mailed, PM'ed, or snail-mailed on Monday.
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Final Rules Proposals File: HERE

Please check your submission for accuracy.

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I have updated the rules proposals list. (both in the first forum post and the linked PDF file).

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I just noticed that I forgot to update the linked PDF file with the recent change. It will be updated tonight.

I will bring 60 copies of the rules proposals.

I will bring only 30 copies of the 2010 rules. Either bring your own or share.
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